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                          "Invasion of the Mind Wreckers"
                                     BRANTON
In the hidden depths of the Nevada Military Complex a battle is
raging. Few know just how long it has been going on. Apparently it
began several years ago when the Nevada Test Site workers
discovered vast subterranean cavities deep underground, possibly
as a result of the underground nuclear blasts which had artificially
excavated huge cavities deep below the surface.
This activity apparently corresponded with the same general
time-period when the U.S. Secret Government was making deals with
the "Greys", establishing secret locations such as S-4 to study alien
craft that had crashed, and constructing environmental enclosures
for some of the 'few' alien beings that had been apprehended alive.
Much of this activity allegedly took place and is taking place within
the extreme high-security areas on and below the Nevada Military
Complex.

However, the reports now coming out of the 'Complex' suggest that
far more of the alien grays, and even their reptilian overlords, are
involved with the activities taking place in Nevada than even a few
alien survivors of crashed disks could account for. Many accounts
have spoken of vast caverns below the southern Nevada region
which have allegedly been the lairs of reptilian hominoids for
centuries. All the accounts point to only one possible conclusion:
That the Test Site workers broke into the native habitat of these
reptilian beings, or a system of caverns which the reptilians had
taken control of in the past, and as a result of the coincidental
"treaties" which the governments were making with the saurian
Grays (which they suspected originated from other-stellar regions),
a secret treaty was made with this underground race as well,
whether out of necessity or desire. Most of the "workers" would not
be aware of the alien activity taking place in these extremely lower
levels due to the higher security clearances necessary to enter or
even know of them. This could explain the confusion which seems to
exist there, and the comments made by workers there that
'everything is way out of control'. It might also explain the comments
made by others 'in the know' who have suggested that the
government is in a panic since they have learned that the sauroid
"aliens from other stars" have infiltrated and undermined the surface
of the earth without us even knowing it, and that this is why they are
in such confusion, why they are rushing head-long to develop
weapons such as 'Excalibur' to destroy subterranean alien
strongholds, and so on. In the movie 'THEY LIVE', which depicted an
infiltration of human society utilizing underground 'bases' beneath
major cities, one of the "human resistance" members asks: "How
long have they been here?" Later he comes to realize... "Maybe
they've always been here!" Perhaps the reason behind the supposed
alien infestation and undermining of the cavernous depths of the
earth could be explained by the possibility that they have ALWAYS
been here, or have been for some time. Do not accounts of reptilian
hominoids date back to prehistoric times when the dinosaurs walked
the surface of the earth? Keep this possibility in mind when trying to
fit the following accounts into your framework of reality. Is it
possible that a subterranean race, working closely with others of
their kind which long ago left the earth for extraterrestrial realms, is
staging (via subversion, implantation, disinformation, conversion,
implantation and infiltration) a takeover of human society FROM
ABOVE AND BELOW?

The following is a transcript of an interview which took place
between a Radio host by the name of Chuck Harder and George
Knapp, a journalist for KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada. The
transcript of the interview appeared in 'FOR THE PEOPLE' Magazine,
and because of it's obviously remarkable nature, including the large
number of well-known people involved, we will record the majority of
the interview here:

CHUCK HARDER: "...My guest has (now) called in and I'm going to
run down who he is and where he's from for a number of reasons,
some of them for his own protection. George, are you there..."

GEORGE KNAPP: "Hello Chuck"

CH: "Please tell us, you are George Knapp, right..."

GK: "That's right"

CH: "George, what do you do for a living?"

GK: "I'm a journalist with KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the CBS affiliate
here."

CH: "So you are a TV newsman..."

GK: "Right"

CH: And you work for Channel 18, KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada..."

GK: "Right"

CH: "I understand that you have come upon some very interesting
information and you've done some special reports, could you tell us
about it...?"

GK: "Well we just finished a nine-part series - what may be the
longest series that's ever been done on this subject dealing with
UFO's.

"Our research actually started about two and a half years ago, a
fellow named John Lear, the son of the guy who invented the Lear
Jet brought some of this information to our attention. In May of this
year, Mr. Lear introduced us to a fellow who claims to have worked
at a secret base designated S-4...on a top- secret Nevada test site...
the fellow said that he worked on 'flying saucers', that the
technology was not from Earth, and we interviewed him live in
silhouette in May, the response was incredible...we got response
from Japan, parts of that interview aired on radio in Europe, and six
different European countries... so we decided with this much interest
we might want to take a look at the subject more in depth.

"We started doing that and the first thing we found out is that really
UFO's have not been given a fair shake by science, by government,
by religion and especially by journalism. Millions of people have seen
UFO's, millions more believe (in them)... I think the latest Gallup poll
shows about 70 percent of college- educated Americans believe that
there's something to it, but because of the tabloid aspects... 'The
Girl Who Gives Birth to 52 UFO Babies' - kind of things in the
NATIONAL ENQUIRER, people have shied away from it... Serious
people have shied away. Scientists, although they might be
interested in searching the universe for radio signals really don't
want to look in their own back yards - they can't get grants...people
would laugh at them. Journalism - the coverage is generally
condescending and quirky, especially by the networks, as in the
coverage of the UFO that supposedly landed in the USSR, people
making fun of it... so, we figured out that millions of people want to
know as Roy Neary the guy in the, 'CLOSE ENCOUNTERS' movie
said, 'What's going on?' So we started investigating it. The focal
point of the story being this fellow who said he worked at Los
Alamos National Labs and they said they never heard of him. We
called MIT where he says he went to school and they never heard of
him. We called for his birth records and they had disappeared... as if
someone was trying to make him a non-person. We did however
confirm some of the information that he had given us... we found
newspaper articles from Los Alamos indicating that he had indeed
worked there...we found an old telephone book from the lab with his
name in it, which gave him a certain amount of credibility in our
eyes. The story he tells is an incredible one. He was hired to work at
this area called S-4 on the test site, he was flown up to a place called
Groom Lake - taken by bus with no windows to S- 4... the base is
built almost to look like it's part of the desert with sand covering
hanger doors, he goes inside and he starts reading these briefing
papers dealing with UFO's! Pictures of UFO's on the walls, pictures
of aliens, autopsy reports on alien bodies...things of this nature -
he's pretty amazed. Then he sees the disks. He says there are nine
of the disks up there, they are powered by an anti-matter reactor
which produces it's own gravitational field...technology that does not
exist on this planet, and the interesting thing...he thought for a while
that perhaps it was just an advanced secret scientific project that
our government is pursuing until he looked inside one of the disks
and noticed the small furniture...all the chairs were built like (they
were made) for children. And then things started coming together for
him. Are you with me Chuck?"

CH: "I'm listening..."

GK: "Er, I'm not sure how much detail you want me to go in on..."

CH: "Oh, I think you ought to keep going..."

GK: "Well this fellow was up there only a few months. And it was a
rough place to work... the security was so hard and he was being
harassed at home, his phone being tapped... plus he's on to what he
thinks are the secrets of the universe...he starts to tell other people
about it, confide with close friends."

CH: "Ummmm."

GK: "He had the date of a couple of tests and on two consecutive
weekends he took people up to the desert outside of the boundaries
of area S-4, and they videotaped the saucers...what looks like a
saucer coming over the mountains!"

CH: "Wow"

GK: "We showed the video as well..."

CH: "Um huhmm..."

GK: "Five different people that we interviewed that had gone up
there confirmed the same story...we also had confirmation of other
bits of his story from other people, a former security guard who
worked up there... who said he had seen the saucers; a former
technician..."

CH: "By the way, excuse me, I have some letters from some people
postmarked from that area, one inside a base, who tells me what
your saying is true. Keep going."

GK: "Ah, we also found a Nellis Airman who had been on radar duty
at Nellis air base which is just south of the area that this fellow is
talking about...he reported numerous times seeing..."

CH: "George, excuse me...let me do the half hour news break. I want
you to tell your story, I want America to hear it...Please stand by."

(At this point SUN RADIO NETWORK runs the half hour news
headlines and sports audio package from UPI. After the news the
guest is re-introduced for listeners who may have just tuned in...)

CH: "How many reports did you do, George?"

GK: "We did nine total in this series."

CH: "OK, now at the time we went to the news on the half hour you
told me that a scientist named Bob Lazar..."

GK: "Right"

CH: "OK, (he) came to tell you and came to the public and apparently
was concerned for his safety because he wanted to tell America or
get the news out that - yes, the Federal Government has nine
saucers, and yes they are near...it's near Nellis, is it not?"

GK: "Yes."

CH: "Cause I have letters from people who are at Nellis. Some of
which don't want to give their names, I have the postmarks. Tell us
now if you would, start the story from the fact that the gentleman
has revealed that there are nine of these things. We're listening and
so is America."

GK: "Well we wanted to try to confirm as much of his story as
possible for other sources of course, so we started looking for other
people who might have knowledge of what's going on up there...as I
mentioned, I found a former security guard who said that he had
seen the saucers up there, I found a Nellis airman who had worked in
radar and said that basically he and his fellow airman has seen these
things flying over the Groom Mountains at speeds up to 7,000 miles
per hour on radar...these things would stop on a dime, so the guy
knew that this is not your average airplane that's doing this. We also
interviewed the other people who went with Lazar up on two
consecutive weeks, they test them on Wednesdays for some reason,
and videotaped the tests, saw these things flying over the mountains
and confirmed his story as well. We put these questions to the Navy,
who Lazar says he worked for up there - we made FREEDOM OF
INFORMATION ACT requests as well - so I don't put a lot of faith in
the FOI requests."

CH: "In other words what you're saying is that your organization
which is KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, plus many other UFO research
groups have uncovered many UFO documents that the government
says, 'Yeah we got them and yeah it's true'...but then when you ask
them again they say, 'No we don't have them'".

GK: "Exactly...that's exactly correct!"

CH: "I understand from MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) and many
other groups that there are somewhere from four to seven thousand
documents that prove that...yes these things exist, copies of the
documents are in private hands, then you go and ask the
government and they say, 'Well, er, no we don't remember...'"

GK: "The government says that they have done these studies that
say that UFO's are no threat to national security, they're either
psychological aberrations, which means that people are nuts when
they see them, that's what they feed the public...but behind the
scenes they are very concerned about the national security
implications of UFO's that land at nuclear missile bases and can't be
caught, things of that nature. So the government from what I've read
is very concerned about the phenomena and doesn't understand it.
The government on the other hand has outright lied concerning what
information it does have...the CIA for example says it doesn't collect
any information on UFO's...well that's just patently not true. We have
documents from the CIA, a lot of it is blacked out, which mentions
UFO studies by the CIA, UFO research, CIA-UFO experts, agency
personnel who are monitoring the phenomenon, so they have lied to
us all along. I didn't expect to get any confirmation regarding what
Lazar has to say, but had to give it a try anyway."

CH: "Before we went to the half-hour break you said that when he
looked inside one of these discs there were little furniture, give me
some information..."

GK: "Well he feels that they were bringing him along, giving him a
piece at a time. He would see a saucer one day, the next he would
see the hanger doors open and see all nine of them...after that he
got to see the inside of the thing. He also got to see a demonstration
of it. He was told to stand back and watch this...and the thing lights
up real bright...I guess the power that's produced is incredible, you
need to produce your own gravitational field, and it raised up, did a
couple maneuvers and sat back down. Part of the reason he came
forward, not to spill the secrets of the universe or the government,
but because the research that's being done up there is being
handled in a clumsy fashion. If they have had these for as long as
forty years, which is what he believes, they haven't come too far in
trying to understand them. Some of the disks he said he saw up
there were being taken apart, kind of a reverse archeology process
to figure out how they worked. Some of the research going on up
there is aimed at trying to duplicate the things that these machines
can do using earth technologies and earth materials and he says it
just can't be done. The key to the flying of these things is something
he calls 'Element 115' (elsewhere Lazar stated that this is an
extremely 'heavy' element - Branton)...it does not exist on our
periodic charts, he believes that wherever it came from it's a
naturally occurring element, he says we have 500 pounds of the stuff
up there, just a little tiny sliver of it produces incredible amounts of
power. It's the '115' that we will not be able to duplicate so he
thinks...one of the reasons he came forward is because scientists all
over the world are working, putting their energy into trying to master
the secrets of gravity and the secrets of anti-matter technology and
here we've got it up there and they're not doing a very good job with
it - this little batch of scientists hidden in the desert are trying to
figure it out and not doing a very good job..."

CH: "But this is kind of common with the United States...I read five
newspapers a day and I'll find where one group in one part of the
country is working on a project and I'll get a clipping where another
group is working on the same project, I've contacted them and they
don't know each other!"

GK: "Yeah, yeah - that's exactly right...he said compartmentalization
up there was very severe as well so that nobody had the full picture -
I guess so nobody could spill the beans as he has been trying to do."

CH: "All right, what does he feel the public should know and what
does he feel should be done?"

GK: "Well, he's not on a campaign, what he really wanted to do was
to save his own life. He started having some problems when it
became obvious to his employers that he was telling someone else
about this."

CH: "We're talking about Bob Lazar now..."

GK: "Bob Lazar...his phone being tapped, people visiting him, calling
him up with a single word message - DEAD - then they hang up! He
tried to arrange meetings with his former supervisor and the
meetings didn't come off, he says somebody took a shot at him on
the freeway...obviously he realizes that if they really wanted to kill
him, they could. Maybe perhaps they were just trying to shut him up.
He feels that what is going on up there is a crime against the entire
scientific community...not only the American people because we
don't know what's going on and we haven't been told alien
technology exists, but also against the scientific community. So,
what else can I tell ya?"

CH: "What does he say about the aliens?"

GK: "He's reluctant to talk about that, apparently he did see some
aliens up there..."

CH: "Excuse me, are you telling me there were live aliens?"

GK: "Yeah, he's kind of sketchy on the details of that, and I don't
think I should go much further on that...part of the discussion until I
can talk to him, but he has indications that there are aliens up there,
at least one..."

CH: "Live?"

GK: "Yeah, it's pretty wild, I know and I didn't include that in our
reports because I couldn't confirm anything of that nature, I couldn't
find anyone else who had seen them up there so..."

CH: "What did they look like?"

GK: "Your classic Grey...the little big-headed almond-eyed
grey-skinned being...the same ones in the classic descriptions of the
UFO literature...he's kind of squeamish talking about it as well
because it sounds so crazy..."

CH: "I don't think it's crazy at all, there was an article yesterday on
the front page of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL where the FDA...
stopped all the grapes from Chile last March... apparently somebody
laced two of the grapes with cyanide a couple hours before the FDA
stumbled on them and it was an inside job apparently while the
grapes were in the inspection station...and it was not done on the
way, so somebody's lying there - we're talking of two little grapes
that almost bankrupted the country of Chile! If two little grapes... and
such a story hits the front page of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
about the truthfulness and what happened with the FDA, what about
this...how would this ever get out if they would cover up a story
about TWO LITTLE GRAPES!"

GK: "Well, I tell you we ask the question, the obvious question, if
this is true how can the government keep this a secret all this time?
A story this big - the government leaks like a sieve on other things,
how could the cover-up exist?"

CH: "Oh, I'll tell you..."

GK: "To which Lazar responds, this is the easiest...and he asked the
question to his superiors up there, it's the easiest thing in the world
to keep a secret because if it does come out, little bits and pieces,
who's going to believe it!"

CH: "Exactly...let me, you remember the Condon Report, do you
not?"

GK: "Yes..."

CH: "For those who are listening, I got into this investigation
because I kept getting letters from our listeners who said, Chuck you
ought to investigate this... we've investigated many things in the
past such as the GM Diesel cover- up; we're working on a pay-phone
cover-up; we've done things with Ralph Nader...and so on. So we
started buying the books and contacting UFO organizations. I then
found that there was a guy named Phil Klass who was always there...
somehow he was always there and he said that everything was
BUNK! and of course, he works for the AVIATION WEEK magazine
which is of course... the mouthpiece for the Military/Industrial
complex and they certainly wouldn't want this technology to be out! I
was also amazed when I saw the stealth bomber (tests) live on CNN
one Saturday and a small plane landed at the same place, (runway)
do you remember that...?"

GK: "Yes..."

CH: "My question is: If the Stealth Bomber was so super secret, how
could a man and his child land their little tiny plane on the same
runway at a super secret airforce base? How could he have pierced
the radar and fighter jets and so forth? My feeling was, probably the
Stealth Bomber was obsolete and nobody was watching!"

GK: "Yeah, I'd have to agree with you, because the secrecy up
there...the only thing that comes out of that place is what they want
out of it."

CH: "So what you're talking about then, since the Condon
committee, Phil Klass and all of the spokespeople who are supposed
to know everything, what you are saying is the ridicule factor... if
Billy Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo of it and takes it
to the paper, everybody laughs at him!"

GK: "There are actual documents the government has released
(under the Freedom of Information Act) that shows it is an actual
program that started back in the fifties...the CIA even used the term
DEBUNKING, there were discussions about using Walt Disney to
produce cartoons that made fun of people who had seen flying
saucers...they were going to bring Arthur Godfrey in as their
spokesperson. Phil Klass as you mentioned, he's explained away
UFO sightings seen by thousands of people as the constellation
ORION, when you can only see ORION from the other side of the
planet."

CH: "Uh huh..."

GK: "He uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to explain the
sightings where plasma balls only last for a few seconds and the
examples that he is trying to explain occur in cloudless skies where
there is no lightning around. You mention the Condon report, that's
a perfect example of the kinds of things that the government has
done in the past, they commission a study, it's supposed to be THE
STUDY, but the guy they hire to run the thing, Edward Condon, had
said before he even started, there was nothing to UFO's, the
government should get out of it, and he also said at one point that
the authors of UFO books should be HORSE-WHIPPED! One of the
explanations that came from the Condon committee, (an event)
witnessed by several people, they described it as, a natural
phenomena so rare that it has never been seen before or since! I
don't think this kind of thing is an accident!"

CH: "OK, the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a UFO) and
from what I have heard there are different kinds of aliens, some have
been coming here for years and years and it's nothing new..."

GK: "Right..."

(Note: At this point they engage in a discussion of the 'Billy Meier'
case which took place in Switzerland. One of the craft described by
Lazar was allegedly very similar to one of the craft described by
Meier. Lazar said that all nine of the objects he had seen in the S-4,
Groom Lake area were different, and he nicknamed the object that
was similar to the one Meier photographed the 'sport model'. After
this Chuck Harder tells George Knapp that there is a break coming
up and that after the break would he please tell Mr. and Mrs. America
what they should do to get the truth).

CH: "I hope that Mr. and Mrs. America make note of the name
George Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to
them, you know why."

GK: "Someone should tell us what's going on...TV and movies have
conditioned us...We won't panic...Jimmy Carter when he ran for
President promised that if he was elected that he vowed to open all
the UFO files and he didn't - we wrote him asking why and he didn't
respond. We want the government to come clean..." (At this point
the listeners were invited to contact George Knapp as KLAS-TV.,
P.O. Box 15047., Las Vegas, Nevada 89144)



One group that is allegedly tied-in with the inner workings of the
government-alien interaction and/or conflicts are known as the
"Delta" Force. The Delta's, some allege, are a secret military group
who have been recruited by the government in order to perform
certain functions in relation to the so-called 'joint- interaction'
projects involving deep-level government organizations and the
'aliens' (Greys).
At the beginning of the 'interaction', the government was optimistic
about their new-found alliance with an apparently benevolent race of
non-human beings. When the government finally discovered the true
nature of the 'aliens', also known as the 'greys', that 'they' were
using the 'treaties' with the U.S. Government merely as a means to
further their infernal plans to bring the human race under their
control, then according to various sources 'all hell broke loose!' The
government-CIA in their zeal to establish contact with what they
hoped were technological 'saviors' from the stars, had 'bargained
away' much of what they had. When the 'Horrible Truth' was
discovered it was too late, the aliens already had too much control
and their physical and occult conquest was increasing every day.
And the Delta's were caught right in the middle.

The Delta Groups (or National Recon Group), wear the 'Trilateral'
insignia, a black triangle on a red background. 'Delta' is also the
fourth letter in the Greek alphabet, which has the form of a triangle.
The symbol appears prominently in certain Masonic lodges, and is
said to have had it's origin with the aliens (or serpent race).

The Delta Forces were the major group which, according to some
sources, were involved in the attempted operation which was
implemented to rescue several scientists who were being held
captive within the deepest levels of the 'Dulce' complex below
northwestern New Mexico. These workers had stumbled across the
'Horrible Truth', and according to some sources over 66 persons,
many of them Delta Forces, were slaughtered by the inhuman
inhabitants and controllers of those lower levels. Some allege that
Air Force Blue Berets were also involved in this conflict, which was
later to become known as the 'Dulce Wars'. Exactly what part the
Blue Berets played, however, is uncertain.

With this in mind, the reader might better understand the following
revelations which were released by former Naval Petty Officer and
Intelligence worker, William Cooper. On January 10, 1989, Mr.
Cooper sent the following statement to various different researchers:

"The following information was extracted from a rather long
treatise/transcript/conversation between an individual and another
who was assigned to DELTA SECURITY:


"01: Delta security has a lot to do with inter-service projects.

"02: The Trilateral insignia (alien) is valid and has been used to mark
equipment.

"03: 'The whole thing is grim and won't get any better.'

"04: The Trilateral insignia has been seen on a disk at Edwards AFB,
CA and Area 51 in NV.

"05: There is a hanger at Edwards referred to as the Delta Hanger.

"06: The Delta Hanger is on the North Base at Edwards.

"07: You need a special badge to get near it. It is a red badge with a
black triangle on the face of it and personal information on the back.

"08: Disk in hanger at Edwards described as having insignia on the
underside and on the top. It was about 50' in diameter, appearing like
tarnished silver, about 15 to 18 feet thick. There were what looked
like windows around the raised portion that were mostly described
as rectangular. There was a groove around the disk about 4 feet
from the edge all the way around. There was an area on the bottom
that looked like vents or louvers.

"09: When people assigned to Delta would break down and cry for
no apparent reason, you would never see them again.

"10: Apparently, the NRO (National Recon Organization) recruits for
DELTA out of Fort Carson, Colorado.

"11: Just about everyone assigned to DELTA are orphans, have no
relatives, etc.

"12: There are 'bounty hunters' connected with Dreamland.

"13: If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or are not back on
time they send 'bounty hunters' after you. That's where the 'visitors'
live...there is an underground facility...

"14: Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. The disks are flown there.

"15: One of the craft looked like an upside-down diamond.

"16: There is a radiation hazard apparent when some of the craft fly.

"17: No one stays at Dreamland for more than a few months.

"18: 'Everything is way out of control...'" (no longer under 'human'
control? - Branton)

The following conversation, in relation to the Nevada Military
Complex and the 'underground facilities', took place on the "Billy
Goodman Happening" - KVEG Radio 840 AM, Las Vegas, Nevada, on
November 19, 1989. It was transcribed by a Las Vegas resident.
Billy Goodman incidentally, has personally planned visits, in
collaboration with KNBC Radio in Los Angeles, to observe the 'disks'
which are being tested at Groom Lake. Goodman and others claimed
to have seen these disks in operation, and back up these claims with
video documentation. One such video shows a hovering object
making a vertical ascent, stop in mid-air, make a horizontal traverse,
followed by another vertical ascent. Something like this would be
impossible for any conventionally known aircraft of the time to
duplicate. Billy Goodman has been very instrumental in getting the
information out about the underground base (i.e. the 'underground
facility' where the 'visitors' live, according to Bill Cooper's source
which we've just quoted) at Site 51:

In the following annotated transcript, the caller will be identified as
'C' and Billy Goodman as 'B':

B: Hi! Your on the Billy Goodman Happening on KVEG! Sir, what can
I do for you tonight?

C: O.K. Are you ready? Hang on to your seats! Here goes! We are
going 3,000 feet underground! O.K. We get to that point, 3,000 feet.
We come out into a stainless steel atmosphere... and we come upon
people that are ah... construction people... working people, and so
forth that are supposed to be in that area. Then we come upon
another people who push us into another little room. They tell us,
"Do not come out of that area, until your told to." These guys are 6
minute marines, all right? They tell us, "If you do, you are going to
get hurt!" OK? So we are construction workers!

B: Where are you working? Where is what you are describing to us.

C: On a certain test site!

B: A certain test site! Which one? You can't reveal which one?

C: We're kinda mixed up! We don't know what the hell is going on.
We're making ah... good bucks... and everything has come down on
us... and they are hurting us! OK? So we are contractors! We are
workers! OK? So there's a person that I called and explained what is
happening to me and they told me to call you and tell you! So, that is
what I am doing right now! Calling you!

B: You presented it in a very odd way! First of all I didn't know if you
were going to be serious or what! Are you saying to me that you are
a construction worker and you had to go 3,000 feet under ground?
First of all what would you be doing underground? Let me ask you
that!

C: We are running lights and power.

B: And who assigned you this job?

C: It's through Reynold's Electronics. I have to say that because I get
my pay check from someone else! (Note: Reynold's Electronics is
tied-in to "E.G. & G." Corporation which DOES IN FACT work with
and contract through the Nevada Test Sites - Branton)

B: They tell you to put these lights underground?

C: Yeh, but there's more to it than that! I'm sortof afraid of
expressing. Am I talking to you or what?

B: Yes, you are talking directly to me!

C: OK. You know some of the things that are happening, shouldn't
be. It should be made public! The public should know what the hell is
going on! And it scares the hell out of me. What is not being brought
out you know? For example, can I give you an example? Here's an
example! A few weeks back we were inside a certain cavern going
through stainless steel halls, going north, and as we move along we
are hanging lights. In the rooms are... they're like operating rooms.
All of a sudden, off the elevator, our U.S. Marines come out, crash
us down off our scaffold, pushing us down, and then into a room.
This is taking a hell of a lot out of me to tell you this right now! The
bosses come into the room and we're getting debriefed and all this
kind of stuff and all of a sudden they are carrying fixed bayonets.
Now I fought in Vietnam and I thought these guys were my buddies!
Oh, no way! Forget it! These guys are from outer space! (Note:
There is a slight possibility that the 'soldiers' which this man
encountered were not human marines, but we will deal with this
bizarre possibility later on - Branton) These people brought these
little characters on gurneys, OK? They had big heads and little
bodies and they went into this little room. Then, behind them, these
doctors in white coats and stuff! And we was really at ah... we didn't
know what the hell was going on! We were shocked to hell! ...I was
SCARED man!

B: Well, sure you didn't know what was going on and didn't expect it!
I guess them handling you upset you first of all. Being man to man,
you thought why should you treat me this way! And that's to be
expected. As far as knowing where you are I have no idea.

C: I know where I was! I worked there every day! I keep a log and if
someone asks me I know what's going on! I'm telling you man they're
not telling us the truth. There is something damn wrong within our
government. I only got a glimpse of this scientist on television (i.e.
most likely referring to Robert Lazar - Branton) but I know he's not
telling much of what he knows. I'm just a worker. A hammer and nail
man. This guy's got more brains than I do, and would know more
about it than I do. There's something INSIDE they aren't telling us!

B: OK. I understand that! Now what do you want us to do about it?

C: EXPOSE IT!!!

B: I think you've done that yourself, just now! Now you haven't told
us your location and I think that's important so we have some idea
where this is. I hope you understand at this moment...

C: I work at Mercury, Nevada and I'm the best electrician there. This
is between you and me now. I don't want anybody else to know
about this!

B: But your on the air Sir!

C: You mean somebody knows about this besides you and me?

B: But you are talking over the radio, Sir! Everybody, all over the
West Coast that is listening has just heard you! So you've gotten
your word out. Now let's see if anybody else knows about it. Maybe
just maybe, we'll get some calls from some of the people that work
with you.

C: Wait a minute! You mean somebody else knows about this beside
you and me?

B: Now, this is a talk show, you called a talk show. I am over the
radio - that's where you called!

C: OH, MY GOD!!!

B: Why, what's wrong with that? You called a talk show!

C: I thought I was just talking to you!

B: Now you said someone told you to call me. Was it someone you
work with?

C: Yes.

B: Nobody knows who you are. You haven't said your name or
anything! Now, let's see if anyone will back up your story!

C: But I didn't know other people would hear this. Now I'm scared for
my life! There's tremendous stuff out there that's being hidden. It's
being corrupted inside. It's being stashed away.

B: Well that's what we do here. We are trying to bring the
information out, and it's people like yourself who are making that
happen. They bring us information all the time! Are you trying to
bring the information out yourself because you don't like what's
going on?

C: I fear for my life because I've seen what happened. I fear for my
life because the government is lying to me.

B: OK. Why do you fear for your life? Have you been threatened?

C: Before you even go down in the pit they threaten you! That is you
tell anything of what you saw, you are dead!!!

B: But you're not saying more than what you saw. Is there anything
else you want to say before we say thank you for calling?

C: Yes, one other thing. Whenever it gets down to the nitty gritty, it
will be clear to the people, that what they are seeing on the news, is
true! We've got six little bodies under ground, man!!!

B: Please keep in touch, OK? (end of transcript)

The reference to Reynold's Electrical, by the way, may be explained
more fully in it's connection with E.G. & G., from the following
reference which we quote from an article that appeared in a
newspaper called the REVIEW-JOURNAL, January 9th, 1990. This
Associated Press article stated:


"Three Nevada-based EG&G companies employ most of the workers
at the Nevada Test Site, the nation's nuclear proving grounds 65
miles northwest of Las Vegas.
"The companies employ 8,000 people: 1,500 at EG&G Energy
Measurements Inc.; 1,000 at EG&G Special Projects; and 5,500 at
Reynolds Electrical and Engineering Co."


Actually, present officials working at the Nevada Test Site are
apparently, for the most part, refusing the advice of the FOUNDER of
EG&G., Herald "Doc" Edgerton, who once made the following
statement at a meeting of the Archaeological Society of America:

"Work like hell, TELL EVERYONE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, close a
deal with a handshake, and have fun."

Edgerton apparently was no supporter of 'official secrecy', yet many
of those now involved in this company are being threatened to
remain silent to the point of endangering their very lives if they
speak out about what they have seen. Incidentally, Robert Lazar was
hired by EG&G himself to work at the S-4 installation at Groom Lake.
In fact, we will now relate another conversation which took place on
the "Billy Goodman Happening" almost a week after the conversation
which is recorded above. There are apparently SOME EMPLOYEES
working at the Nevada Test Site, who ARE speaking out about what
is going on there, like the one who called in to the Billy Goodman
show on Nov. 24, 1989, apparently partly in response to the caller
from Mercury, Nevada mentioned earlier, AND in response to Bob
Lazar's experiences, etc.
The person who transcribed this particular program indicated that
they had missed the first 15 seconds or so of the callers
conversation. This is NOT the same caller whose conversation we
just described. In the following transcript, (C:) indicates 'Caller'; (B:)
indicates 'Billy Goodman'; and (B.L.:) refers to 'Bob Lazar', who was
Goodman's guest for that evening:

C: ...Well, we're kinda fed up with what's going on, right! And I mean
nothing gets done without the ants! We are the ants! We are the
construction workers, O.K.? We put things together and take them
apart! You are the scientists (referring here to Robert Lazar -
Branton). You do all the higher level of knowledge stuff, right? We
do all the putting in this and putting in that: installing, construction
and so forth! Well we heard about your situation, and it's going
through a whole bunch of grape vines, O.K? It's coming together
where people are meeting in small groups and they're trying to
organize a support for you to back you up! Out of the meeting we
had yesterday of 7 people, counting myself there are two that will
come forward and support you! What they SAW, what they are
INVOLVED WITH! The other guys are just scared to death and I'm a
little scared myself, you know!

B.L.: Do these people work in area S-4?

C: Yeh, all over the area!

B.L.: That would be great!

C: Mostly UNDERGROUND! The deep sections of the area! The
whole thing!

B: How do you feel Bob? Sounds like you are getting some support!

B.L.: Yea, that's great! There's power in numbers!

C: We are trying to get things where it will be safe! You know what I
mean Bob?

B.L.: Oh yeah, I do!

C: It's kinda hard to talk to you like this you know but the guys are
for you! People are for you and everybody's wanted to do something
a long time ago but nobody knew what they could do.

B.L.: Yeh, that was the consensus when I was down there!
Everybody wanted to do something. I'm glad everyone has that
attitude!

C: Yeh, you are probably the beginning of the first motion of the
wheel you know! The first turn! The wheel is gonna turn faster and
faster in order to get where we want to get to!

B.L.: Well hopefully that will be the case! Do you think these people
would come forward if there was some sort of congressional
amnesty for them?

C: I don't know but we all know a lot! We know our jobs well, like you
do!

B.L.: I'm sure you do.

C: What we have to do is be firm about it, get to the point and say,
"Hey, here's what's happening!" Why don't you tell the people what's
happening? Why keep it a secret? Like before you walk into those
hangers there. Somebody had to install this and install that! It's
frightening. It scared the heck out of me. We got together out at
Lathrup Wells and kicked it around. We B.S.'ed a little bit and said,
"We gotta do something!" SO WE DID SOMETHING YESTERDAY.
Like I said: there's only two of the seven of us who are willing to do
something.

B: Sir, Sir! Is there anything we can do to help you in this matter? Is
there anything the listening people can do? I know they are behind
Bob Lazar 100%. I had him on here one night and there hasn't been
one person by either mail, or by telephone, who has disputed what
he has said! So they are behind him. Is there anything we can do?

C: Well you could form some kind of walk or picket! Or announce it
on the street. Tell them we want to know! WE WANT TO KNOW!!!

B: When you say on the street, are you talking about downtown Las
Vegas?

C: YES!

B: What do you think of that Bob? Do you think that would do
anything?

B.L.: Certainly if these people come forward! They have a LOT to
lose, if people start making a ruckus like that! They could lose their
jobs right away! They talked about there being a ten year jail term
and a $10,000 fine for divulging information like that! I mean they
have a lot to lose! You might...

B: But you know something Bob? It's almost like...

C: We have the first amendment on our side!

B.L.: Yeh, you do but... have you thought about contact(ing) George
Knapp? He's looking for anybody that is coming forward from S-4,
and any surrounding areas having knowledge at all about that area
or any of the flying saucer information! He's gathering all he can and
doing alot to try and expose it!

B: You might want to contact George! That might be a good idea!
But I think there's another side to this. It's almost like they're not
concerned any more about their jobs. They're more concerned about
the Constitution! They're more concerned about Humanity! That's
the impression I get!

B.L.: Yeh, you get that point but you have to feed yourself too!

B: Well you know, there are people that take chances in life, and
sometimes they wind up with something better. Later on... down the
line. You know what I'm saying? Someone like yourself. I'm not
saying this would happen by coming forward, taking a chance, and
all of a sudden, say, the government cut you off. You might get an
offer for a better position. You follow what I'm saying? Because
there are people who own the businesses that believe the way you
believe. And I believe this! I hear this gentleman talking and it's
happening more and more. There are people out there who would
LOVE to come forward with information.

C: But somebody has to start it.

B: Right. And I think you've done that Bob! You started the ball
rolling. I know you did. I think what is going to happen is the people
who have been wanting to say something; this might be a relief for
them. It's coming out and they won't have to keep it inside any more!

B.L.: That was the general consensus when I was out there.

B: Well obviously they want out too. They want to tell the truth.

C: Bob, did you have any work underground? IN THE TUNNELS?

B.L.: No! I have a friend whose dad worked on some of the drilling
equipment! I know there's some tunnels down there!

C: There's more than just tunnels down there! There's everything
you can imagine down there. I know cause we put it up!!! We
installed. We did everything. I just want you to know that the M.W.s
(Mercury Workers) are gathering together in small groups trying to
put something together for you and contact you somehow to join
you. If the people want to join us in a march or whatever it's going to
be, that's what we're going to do!

B.L.: Oh! That's super!

C: So we're with you man!

B: Thanks for the call sir! Have a nice night. Bob, it sounds as
though people are starting to come forward. (end of transcript)


Where do they come from? The Earth, the stars? The
answer is quite simple, both. They are the rebels long
sought by the Greys. They originated on Zeta Reticula just
as the greys, but they were the terror. Now they were here
on Earth, but how had they achieved this transformation?
This is where it gets complicated my friends, it has become
a situation that must be handled with much caution and
compassion, lest the earth perish.  
The text that follows is not "far from the truth", but
misrepresents some of the facts, and totally ignores the
mitigating circumstances concerning the aliens and the
United States government. The "Greys" that made the
treaty never broke it, they were impersonated by the
renegade greys. The United States was between a rock and
a rock,with both factions appearing as one. The deeper
underlying strata wouldn't be uncovered for years. We shall
take you layer by layer to expose the core of the problem.  
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